Comments on: Towards Organic Security Relationships in Central Asia http://www.neweurasia.net/2006/06/15/towards-organic-security-relationships-in-central-asia/ Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:59:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: Younghusband http://www.neweurasia.net/2006/06/15/towards-organic-security-relationships-in-central-asia/#comment-5326 Younghusband Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:10:48 +0000 http://www.neweurasia.net/2006/06/15/towards-organic-security-relationships-in-central-asia/#comment-5326 Dear me, have you seen our site? Dear me, have you seen our site?

]]> By: David http://www.neweurasia.net/2006/06/15/towards-organic-security-relationships-in-central-asia/#comment-5324 David Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:11:21 +0000 http://www.neweurasia.net/2006/06/15/towards-organic-security-relationships-in-central-asia/#comment-5324 Dear me. Are people still quoting Kaplan? How quaint. I didn't realise this lovely notion that security relationships lead to some kind of organic democratic development was still doing the rounds. Its very Tashkent, 2003. Didn't anybody notice what happened in Uzbekistan last year? Dear me. Are people still quoting Kaplan? How quaint. I didn’t realise this lovely notion that security relationships lead to some kind of organic democratic development was still doing the rounds. Its very Tashkent, 2003. Didn’t anybody notice what happened in Uzbekistan last year?

]]> By: IJ http://www.neweurasia.net/2006/06/15/towards-organic-security-relationships-in-central-asia/#comment-3917 IJ Sat, 17 Jun 2006 09:55:22 +0000 http://www.neweurasia.net/2006/06/15/towards-organic-security-relationships-in-central-asia/#comment-3917 [b]The problem the US has to overcome is its lack of vicinity.[/b] And its lack of legitimacy in global affairs. This will all be up for discussion next month at the G8 summit, where energy security tops the agenda. The UN may be the only multilateral organisation that can arrange the international cooperation on energy that [url=http://www.cominganarchy.com/archives/2006/06/10/oil-prices-and-the-developing-world/#comment-104349]Senator Lugar wants.[/url] [b]The problem the US has to overcome is its lack of vicinity.[/b]

And its lack of legitimacy in global affairs. This will all be up for discussion next month at the G8 summit, where energy security tops the agenda. The UN may be the only multilateral organisation that can arrange the international cooperation on energy that [url=http://www.cominganarchy.com/archives/2006/06/10/oil-prices-and-the-developing-world/#comment-104349]Senator Lugar wants.[/url]

]]> By: Peter http://www.neweurasia.net/2006/06/15/towards-organic-security-relationships-in-central-asia/#comment-3877 Peter Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:55:46 +0000 http://www.neweurasia.net/2006/06/15/towards-organic-security-relationships-in-central-asia/#comment-3877 The biggest complicating feature of U.S. dealing in Central Asia, with Uzbekistan in particular, is the increasing squeamishness about the concept of engagement. The logistics of it would not theoretically be the deciding factor were the interested parties slightly more open to suggestion that security cooperation is not mandatorily predicated on the political development of a country. Not that this is, by any means, a desirable scenario, but in view of the fact that the West is quickly running out of options, it may be time to consider such variants. For all the criticisms made of seasoned jazz musician Frederick Starr over among commentators at registan.net, I could not help but find his recurring appeals to the real potential of political, as well as security, engagement as compelling ones. The biggest complicating feature of U.S. dealing in Central Asia, with Uzbekistan in particular, is the increasing squeamishness about the concept of engagement. The logistics of it would not theoretically be the deciding factor were the interested parties slightly more open to suggestion that security cooperation is not mandatorily predicated on the political development of a country. Not that this is, by any means, a desirable scenario, but in view of the fact that the West is quickly running out of options, it may be time to consider such variants. For all the criticisms made of seasoned jazz musician Frederick Starr over among commentators at registan.net, I could not help but find his recurring appeals to the real potential of political, as well as security, engagement as compelling ones.

]]> By: Younghusband http://www.neweurasia.net/2006/06/15/towards-organic-security-relationships-in-central-asia/#comment-3875 Younghusband Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:22:44 +0000 http://www.neweurasia.net/2006/06/15/towards-organic-security-relationships-in-central-asia/#comment-3875 The UN is not exactly the best framework for developing security relationships, in Central Asia or otherwise. NATO is doing what it can through the Partnership for Peace program, which has had some success. The problem the US has to overcome is its lack of vicinity. These countries are squished between two would-be regional hegemons, and the US is trying to exert its influence from 10,000km away. For every 1 officer that gets trained at Bragg, 40 go to Moscow. It is a really difficult problem, and like you said, "imperial rivalry still seems to be the only game in town." The UN is not exactly the best framework for developing security relationships, in Central Asia or otherwise. NATO is doing what it can through the Partnership for Peace program, which has had some success. The problem the US has to overcome is its lack of vicinity. These countries are squished between two would-be regional hegemons, and the US is trying to exert its influence from 10,000km away. For every 1 officer that gets trained at Bragg, 40 go to Moscow. It is a really difficult problem, and like you said, “imperial rivalry still seems to be the only game in town.”

]]> By: IJ http://www.neweurasia.net/2006/06/15/towards-organic-security-relationships-in-central-asia/#comment-3872 IJ Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:04:13 +0000 http://www.neweurasia.net/2006/06/15/towards-organic-security-relationships-in-central-asia/#comment-3872 <strong>a number of attempts have been made to build security relationships with and between the countries of Central Asia</strong> It would be legitimate to build security in Central Asia within the UN system, rather than under the auspices of rival nations (eg, China, Russia or US). <a href="http://news.ft.com/cms/s/2b97a138-fcd5-11da-9599-0000779e2340.html" rel="nofollow">Own up, America: the United Nations serves your interests</a> On the other hand, imperial rivalry still seems to be the only game in town. "Russian President Vladimir Putin [yesterday] accused the United States of throwing its weight around and defended the growing clout of an Asian security group dominated by Russia and China, The Associated Press reported." <a href="http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/06/16/putinpres.shtml" rel="nofollow">Security</a> a number of attempts have been made to build security relationships with and between the countries of Central Asia

It would be legitimate to build security in Central Asia within the UN system, rather than under the auspices of rival nations (eg, China, Russia or US). Own up, America: the United Nations serves your interests

On the other hand, imperial rivalry still seems to be the only game in town.

“Russian President Vladimir Putin [yesterday] accused the United States of throwing its weight around and defended the growing clout of an Asian security group dominated by Russia and China, The Associated Press reported.” Security

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