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	<title>Comments on: There is no such thing as Eurasia</title>
	<link>http://www.neweurasia.net/2007/05/21/there-is-no-such-thing-as-eurasia/</link>
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		<title>By: Tajik Boy</title>
		<link>http://www.neweurasia.net/2007/05/21/there-is-no-such-thing-as-eurasia/#comment-39097</link>
		<dc:creator>Tajik Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 12:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Ben,

The term  Eurasia, by the way, was coined by Russkis to underlined their influence over what they percieved to be their territories of influence.

Now that Soviet Union is gone, such influence is felt less and less over the years (especially in Caucausus and CA). 

Perhaps it is a high time to change the term or stop using it altogether (to me this blog is all about CA).

I can't believe there was a lack of in terest on Russia here. This country still figures prominently (and not always in good light) in the life of many FSU countries (Georgia, Estonia, Tajikistan?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Ben,</p>
<p>The term  Eurasia, by the way, was coined by Russkis to underlined their influence over what they percieved to be their territories of influence.</p>
<p>Now that Soviet Union is gone, such influence is felt less and less over the years (especially in Caucausus and CA). </p>
<p>Perhaps it is a high time to change the term or stop using it altogether (to me this blog is all about CA).</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe there was a lack of in terest on Russia here. This country still figures prominently (and not always in good light) in the life of many FSU countries (Georgia, Estonia, Tajikistan?)</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.neweurasia.net/2007/05/21/there-is-no-such-thing-as-eurasia/#comment-38920</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 12:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.neweurasia.net/2007/05/21/there-is-no-such-thing-as-eurasia/#comment-38920</guid>
		<description>Tajik Boy, thanks for your question.

Now that we've ceased to cover the Caucasus, never focussed on Russia for a lack of interest and expertise and concentrate only on Central Asia, our name might really not be too suitable. But as the discussion above shows, there is so much confusion over terminology that we can definitely stick to it for some more years to come :)

The targeted funding we are receiving from Hivos aims to help blogging take off in the region - as a tool for uncensored self-expression. So that's the hidden agenda if you want. It's all in our "About the Partnership" section.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tajik Boy, thanks for your question.</p>
<p>Now that we&#8217;ve ceased to cover the Caucasus, never focussed on Russia for a lack of interest and expertise and concentrate only on Central Asia, our name might really not be too suitable. But as the discussion above shows, there is so much confusion over terminology that we can definitely stick to it for some more years to come :)</p>
<p>The targeted funding we are receiving from Hivos aims to help blogging take off in the region - as a tool for uncensored self-expression. So that&#8217;s the hidden agenda if you want. It&#8217;s all in our &#8220;About the Partnership&#8221; section.</p>
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		<title>By: Tajik Boy</title>
		<link>http://www.neweurasia.net/2007/05/21/there-is-no-such-thing-as-eurasia/#comment-38882</link>
		<dc:creator>Tajik Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 08:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.neweurasia.net/2007/05/21/there-is-no-such-thing-as-eurasia/#comment-38882</guid>
		<description>I have a question:

If Eurasia (as the name of the blog suggests) includes Russia, why is there no blog for this country here?

The way this blog is organized (CA and Caucauses) suggest a strange way of separating the countries which belong to "Eurasia".

Anyone care to explain or you guys don't get funding to cover Russia? ;)

If so what is this targeted funding all about? Any hidden agenda?

Just curious :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question:</p>
<p>If Eurasia (as the name of the blog suggests) includes Russia, why is there no blog for this country here?</p>
<p>The way this blog is organized (CA and Caucauses) suggest a strange way of separating the countries which belong to &#8220;Eurasia&#8221;.</p>
<p>Anyone care to explain or you guys don&#8217;t get funding to cover Russia? ;)</p>
<p>If so what is this targeted funding all about? Any hidden agenda?</p>
<p>Just curious :)</p>
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		<title>By: A Second Hand Conjecture &#187; News Brief, Groove: Heart Edition</title>
		<link>http://www.neweurasia.net/2007/05/21/there-is-no-such-thing-as-eurasia/#comment-38534</link>
		<dc:creator>A Second Hand Conjecture &#187; News Brief, Groove: Heart Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 21:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.neweurasia.net/2007/05/21/there-is-no-such-thing-as-eurasia/#comment-38534</guid>
		<description>[...] exactly is Eurasia? The term seems to really mean &#8220;post-Soviet Studies,&#8221; but no academic in his right mind [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] exactly is Eurasia? The term seems to really mean &#8220;post-Soviet Studies,&#8221; but no academic in his right mind [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.neweurasia.net/2007/05/21/there-is-no-such-thing-as-eurasia/#comment-38531</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 21:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.neweurasia.net/2007/05/21/there-is-no-such-thing-as-eurasia/#comment-38531</guid>
		<description>Interesting comments, everyone.  

The point of the post wasn't really to suggest that we should abandon "Eurasia" because there is some other "true" term that we should be using.  Rather, I thought Kotkin's lecture and paper were interesting because they raise some interesting questions about why we use the terms that we do.

For instance, to Nick's point, I think it is fine, even useful, to use different terms depending on circumstances.  For instance, I doubt a Mongol Commonwealth is really all that useful today, but if we are talking about 1400, it might make a lot of sense.  The important part is not finding the perfect term, but understanding the assumptions underpinning the different terms.  This is not to say that all definitions are equal; I think Kotkin makes a fair point in criticizing contrived ethno-linguistic patterns as bases for regional groupings.

And to Josh's point re: "post-Soviet Bureau," I think Kotkin is arguing exactly that, at least to some extent.

Afghanistan is definitely stuck in limbo if we are talking about Central Asia, the Middle East, or post-Soviet Studies, but what if we talk about a "Persian Commonwealth," to use Kotkin's phrasing.  Then Afghanistan's status is not nebulous at all, but other areas like India or Xinjiang are instead.

Of course the rubber hits the road when government and academic departments have to decide how to organize themselves, and which positions to fund; then you can't be as definitionally agnostic as I am advocating.  

The consequence?  Afghanistan flounders between Central Asia, the Middle East, and South Asia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting comments, everyone.  </p>
<p>The point of the post wasn&#8217;t really to suggest that we should abandon &#8220;Eurasia&#8221; because there is some other &#8220;true&#8221; term that we should be using.  Rather, I thought Kotkin&#8217;s lecture and paper were interesting because they raise some interesting questions about why we use the terms that we do.</p>
<p>For instance, to Nick&#8217;s point, I think it is fine, even useful, to use different terms depending on circumstances.  For instance, I doubt a Mongol Commonwealth is really all that useful today, but if we are talking about 1400, it might make a lot of sense.  The important part is not finding the perfect term, but understanding the assumptions underpinning the different terms.  This is not to say that all definitions are equal; I think Kotkin makes a fair point in criticizing contrived ethno-linguistic patterns as bases for regional groupings.</p>
<p>And to Josh&#8217;s point re: &#8220;post-Soviet Bureau,&#8221; I think Kotkin is arguing exactly that, at least to some extent.</p>
<p>Afghanistan is definitely stuck in limbo if we are talking about Central Asia, the Middle East, or post-Soviet Studies, but what if we talk about a &#8220;Persian Commonwealth,&#8221; to use Kotkin&#8217;s phrasing.  Then Afghanistan&#8217;s status is not nebulous at all, but other areas like India or Xinjiang are instead.</p>
<p>Of course the rubber hits the road when government and academic departments have to decide how to organize themselves, and which positions to fund; then you can&#8217;t be as definitionally agnostic as I am advocating.  </p>
<p>The consequence?  Afghanistan flounders between Central Asia, the Middle East, and South Asia.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://www.neweurasia.net/2007/05/21/there-is-no-such-thing-as-eurasia/#comment-38429</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 15:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem also lies not only with the geographical expanse covered by the term 'Eurasia' but also the timeframe. Post-Soviet studies is fine for, well, the study of the FSU, but what about BEFORE the USSR? questions questions questions. Truth be told, 'Eurasian Studies' covers a multitude of sins: history, politics, ethnography, anthropology, geography, development studies, economics, linguistics/languages, archaeology, Caucasus, Central Asia, Baltic states, Russia, Siberia, Tibet, Turkey, Ottoman Empire etc etc. Geographically speaking, I'd be more comforable talking about, say, Eastern Europe, Russia, Caucasus, Central Asia and Inner Asia. I think the universities which have shunned the term 'Eurasian Studies' have it about right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem also lies not only with the geographical expanse covered by the term &#8216;Eurasia&#8217; but also the timeframe. Post-Soviet studies is fine for, well, the study of the FSU, but what about BEFORE the USSR? questions questions questions. Truth be told, &#8216;Eurasian Studies&#8217; covers a multitude of sins: history, politics, ethnography, anthropology, geography, development studies, economics, linguistics/languages, archaeology, Caucasus, Central Asia, Baltic states, Russia, Siberia, Tibet, Turkey, Ottoman Empire etc etc. Geographically speaking, I&#8217;d be more comforable talking about, say, Eastern Europe, Russia, Caucasus, Central Asia and Inner Asia. I think the universities which have shunned the term &#8216;Eurasian Studies&#8217; have it about right.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Foust</title>
		<link>http://www.neweurasia.net/2007/05/21/there-is-no-such-thing-as-eurasia/#comment-38410</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Foust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 14:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've noticed Afghanistan is kind of stuck in this weird limbo - perhaps because of the jumbled mess of ethnicities and cultures that call it home. But since "Eurasia" really seems to be the last refuge of Soviet Studies, why not just call the field "Post-Soviet Studies?"

That would make logical sense (just as I thought the State Department should have created a separate Post-Soviet Bureau).  But it might be too much like a "Post-British Studies" field, or something. Maybe connecting the region to its Mongolian roots would be more useful, even if it has a lot more in common with the rest of the FSU states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve noticed Afghanistan is kind of stuck in this weird limbo - perhaps because of the jumbled mess of ethnicities and cultures that call it home. But since &#8220;Eurasia&#8221; really seems to be the last refuge of Soviet Studies, why not just call the field &#8220;Post-Soviet Studies?&#8221;</p>
<p>That would make logical sense (just as I thought the State Department should have created a separate Post-Soviet Bureau).  But it might be too much like a &#8220;Post-British Studies&#8221; field, or something. Maybe connecting the region to its Mongolian roots would be more useful, even if it has a lot more in common with the rest of the FSU states.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://www.neweurasia.net/2007/05/21/there-is-no-such-thing-as-eurasia/#comment-38359</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 10:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read Kotkin's article in the pub last night (erk! spot the nerd!). It was an enjoyable essay about academic self-identification, I thought, rather than a research-based article positing some new or exciting point of view. At the University of London School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS) I hardly came across the term 'Eurasia' whilst studying Ottoman or Mongolian history yet as soon as I moved into the field of post-Soviet studies I hardly move for tripping over the concept - and therefore I think that the current debate about the use of the term is very much about filling the vaccuum filled by the term 'Soviet Studies'.

&lt;i&gt;Maybe this is just one of those natural limitations and frustrations of trying to divide and label the world?&lt;/i&gt;

Good point. By way of example, at SOAS, neither the survey class on Central Asian history nor the class on Islam in South Asia covered Afghanistan (and the teachers of both recommended that students wishing to study Afghanistan take the other class!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read Kotkin&#8217;s article in the pub last night (erk! spot the nerd!). It was an enjoyable essay about academic self-identification, I thought, rather than a research-based article positing some new or exciting point of view. At the University of London School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS) I hardly came across the term &#8216;Eurasia&#8217; whilst studying Ottoman or Mongolian history yet as soon as I moved into the field of post-Soviet studies I hardly move for tripping over the concept - and therefore I think that the current debate about the use of the term is very much about filling the vaccuum filled by the term &#8216;Soviet Studies&#8217;.</p>
<p><i>Maybe this is just one of those natural limitations and frustrations of trying to divide and label the world?</i></p>
<p>Good point. By way of example, at SOAS, neither the survey class on Central Asian history nor the class on Islam in South Asia covered Afghanistan (and the teachers of both recommended that students wishing to study Afghanistan take the other class!)</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Foust</title>
		<link>http://www.neweurasia.net/2007/05/21/there-is-no-such-thing-as-eurasia/#comment-38236</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Foust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 03:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a problem vexing everyone involved, I think. There isn't any sense of regional identity among the people who live there (Kazakhs in particular are very proud of being Kazakh). 

This discussion reminds me of the hand wringing that resulted when Condoleeza Rice reordered the U.S. State Department's bureau structure and made Central Asia (which strikes me as a perfectly acceptable name for the area) part of the South Asian bureau. Does that really make sense, when Turkmenistan has nothing to do with Sri Lanka? Not really. But neither did Uzbekistan have anything to do with Italy when it was in the European bureau (Russia, too, is a tricky beast, incorporating European, steppe, intuit, Caucasian, and even Asiatic regions and cultures).

Maybe this is just one of those natural limitations and frustrations of trying to divide and label the world?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a problem vexing everyone involved, I think. There isn&#8217;t any sense of regional identity among the people who live there (Kazakhs in particular are very proud of being Kazakh). </p>
<p>This discussion reminds me of the hand wringing that resulted when Condoleeza Rice reordered the U.S. State Department&#8217;s bureau structure and made Central Asia (which strikes me as a perfectly acceptable name for the area) part of the South Asian bureau. Does that really make sense, when Turkmenistan has nothing to do with Sri Lanka? Not really. But neither did Uzbekistan have anything to do with Italy when it was in the European bureau (Russia, too, is a tricky beast, incorporating European, steppe, intuit, Caucasian, and even Asiatic regions and cultures).</p>
<p>Maybe this is just one of those natural limitations and frustrations of trying to divide and label the world?</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.neweurasia.net/2007/05/21/there-is-no-such-thing-as-eurasia/#comment-38106</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 18:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kotkin can be quite hit or miss - in fact, one could argue that he is somewhat overly insulated in academia and overlooks a number of experiences and attitudes held by people living and working in Russia and Eastern Europe.  

A while back we blogged about a speech he gave:  http://www.robertamsterdam.com/2007/03/princeton_prof_on_dictatorship.htm

It would seem sort of off-base these days to say that Russia isn't successful at achieving its foreign policy goals, for example.

In regards to Kotkin's beef with Eurasian studies and the politics of identity, I highly recommend contrasting his views with both Amin Malouf and Michael Ignatieff (who before losing his mind to Canadian politics wrote one of the most thoughtful books on nationalism and identity).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kotkin can be quite hit or miss - in fact, one could argue that he is somewhat overly insulated in academia and overlooks a number of experiences and attitudes held by people living and working in Russia and Eastern Europe.  </p>
<p>A while back we blogged about a speech he gave:  <a href="http://www.robertamsterdam.com/2007/03/princeton_prof_on_dictatorship.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.robertamsterdam.com/2007/03/princeton_prof_on_dictatorship.htm</a></p>
<p>It would seem sort of off-base these days to say that Russia isn&#8217;t successful at achieving its foreign policy goals, for example.</p>
<p>In regards to Kotkin&#8217;s beef with Eurasian studies and the politics of identity, I highly recommend contrasting his views with both Amin Malouf and Michael Ignatieff (who before losing his mind to Canadian politics wrote one of the most thoughtful books on nationalism and identity).</p>
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