Comments on: It’s a (wo)man’s world, babe http://www.neweurasia.net/business-and-economics/reverse-discrimination/ Mon, 06 Feb 2012 08:32:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Panj http://www.neweurasia.net/business-and-economics/reverse-discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-18083 Panj Sun, 13 Dec 2009 12:24:18 +0000 http://www.neweurasia.net/?p=7347#comment-18083 It's a shame some people here spend so much time disagreeing on the problems. No wonder nothing ever gets done. It’s a shame some people here spend so much time disagreeing on the problems. No wonder nothing ever gets done.

]]> By: Turgai Sangar http://www.neweurasia.net/business-and-economics/reverse-discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-17985 Turgai Sangar Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:39:30 +0000 http://www.neweurasia.net/?p=7347#comment-17985 The difference is that women who don't want to wear the hijab, or even those who walk around half-naked and behave loosely, are not persecuted in CA and Europe, whereas those who do want to wear the hijab and have a minimum of dignity are. Many of the situations that you mention are not an output of 'Islamic tradition' but rather of social degeneration and consumerist anomy. If you are interested: "Does Islam oppress women?" http://www.khilafah.com/images/images/PDF/Books/Does_Islam_oppress_women.pdf "An introduction to the Islamic Social System" http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/the-khilafah/social-system/387-an-introduction-to-the-social-system The difference is that women who don’t want to wear the hijab, or even those who walk around half-naked and behave loosely, are not persecuted in CA and Europe, whereas those who do want to wear the hijab and have a minimum of dignity are.

Many of the situations that you mention are not an output of ‘Islamic tradition’ but rather of social degeneration and consumerist anomy. If you are interested:

“Does Islam oppress women?”
http://www.khilafah.com/images/images/PDF/Books/Does_Islam_oppress_women.pdf

“An introduction to the Islamic Social System”
http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/the-khilafah/social-system/387-an-introduction-to-the-social-system

]]> By: KZBlog http://www.neweurasia.net/business-and-economics/reverse-discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-17981 KZBlog Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:40:05 +0000 http://www.neweurasia.net/?p=7347#comment-17981 <a href="#comment-17978" rel="nofollow">@Turgai Sangar</a>, As are women who don't want to wear the hijab. In short, I don't see why wearing a piece of cloth on your head is a big deal or why not wearing it is. It should be the free choice of every person what their religion is and to what extent they want to practice that religion. The issue I have is that these things are enforced on women far more than on men. For example, in Central Asia, men drink and swear and show off flashy clothes and possessions left and right but then talk about how a good Muslim woman should be. To me that's hypocrisy. But we'll probably never agree. @Turgai Sangar, As are women who don’t want to wear the hijab. In short, I don’t see why wearing a piece of cloth on your head is a big deal or why not wearing it is. It should be the free choice of every person what their religion is and to what extent they want to practice that religion. The issue I have is that these things are enforced on women far more than on men. For example, in Central Asia, men drink and swear and show off flashy clothes and possessions left and right but then talk about how a good Muslim woman should be. To me that’s hypocrisy. But we’ll probably never agree.

]]> By: Turgai Sangar http://www.neweurasia.net/business-and-economics/reverse-discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-17980 Turgai Sangar Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:54:20 +0000 http://www.neweurasia.net/?p=7347#comment-17980 BTW I agree with this comment or yours... (rfe blog) "On the one hand, I think Kazakhstan should be a secular country that promotes no one religion. On the other hand, all religions should be tolerated in a secular country and I just don't see why wearing a head scarf is harmful. If the teacher were to proselytize to students or give bad grades to students who don't wear the head scarf, that would be a problem. But I don't see why wearing a piece of cloth on your head is evil." These days, it are *the secularists* and the atheist fundamentalists who agressively impose their views and lifestyles. BTW I agree with this comment or yours… (rfe blog)

“On the one hand, I think Kazakhstan should be a secular country that promotes no one religion. On the other hand, all religions should be tolerated in a secular country and I just don’t see why wearing a head scarf is harmful. If the teacher were to proselytize to students or give bad grades to students who don’t wear the head scarf, that would be a problem. But I don’t see why wearing a piece of cloth on your head is evil.”

These days, it are *the secularists* and the atheist fundamentalists who agressively impose their views and lifestyles.

]]> By: Turgai Sangar http://www.neweurasia.net/business-and-economics/reverse-discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-17979 Turgai Sangar Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:43:07 +0000 http://www.neweurasia.net/?p=7347#comment-17979 See, all these Western and UN(-funded) women NGOs, gender programmes and what all caused a lot of harm in this field and not only in Kazakhstan. They promote completely alien concepts, create illusions and unrealistic expectations, and destroy scores of families by setting up women and girls against the others. They basically contribute to the destruction and dislocation of the social tissue so as to control society better. The tragic thing is, that the women and girls who have been manipulated are eventually dumped by those who used them and are left with nothing in the end. See, all these Western and UN(-funded) women NGOs, gender programmes and what all caused a lot of harm in this field and not only in Kazakhstan. They promote completely alien concepts, create illusions and unrealistic expectations, and destroy scores of families by setting up women and girls against the others. They basically contribute to the destruction and dislocation of the social tissue so as to control society better. The tragic thing is, that the women and girls who have been manipulated are eventually dumped by those who used them and are left with nothing in the end.

]]> By: Turgai Sangar http://www.neweurasia.net/business-and-economics/reverse-discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-17978 Turgai Sangar Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:36:53 +0000 http://www.neweurasia.net/?p=7347#comment-17978 Bwah, that is again one of these worn-out and moronic clichés: "women who wear hijab do so because they are oppressed by their tyrannical husbands or fathers etcetera." It's often the contrary: women who both confront social pressure and the authorities for the right to wear hidjab as part of their identity and dignity are often vocal and convinced. Bwah, that is again one of these worn-out and moronic clichés: “women who wear hijab do so because they are oppressed by their tyrannical husbands or fathers etcetera.” It’s often the contrary: women who both confront social pressure and the authorities for the right to wear hidjab as part of their identity and dignity are often vocal and convinced.

]]> By: KZBlog http://www.neweurasia.net/business-and-economics/reverse-discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-17961 KZBlog Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:06:21 +0000 http://www.neweurasia.net/?p=7347#comment-17961 <a href="#comment-17915" rel="nofollow">@Turgai Sangar</a>, Unless it's because her husband beats her when she goes out without a headscarf and calls her a slut. @Turgai Sangar, Unless it’s because her husband beats her when she goes out without a headscarf and calls her a slut.

]]> By: Turgai Sangar http://www.neweurasia.net/business-and-economics/reverse-discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-17915 Turgai Sangar Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:18:09 +0000 http://www.neweurasia.net/?p=7347#comment-17915 For an example of a courageous Kazakh women's activist and yet another example of the degree of hypocrisy and double standards in the field of women's issues... Kazakh Teacher Not Allowed To Wear Hijab At School http://www.rferl.org/content/Kazakh_Teacher_Not_Allowed_To_Wear_Hijab_At_School/1898762.html?page=1#relatedInfoContainer Хиджаб начали запрещать и в школах Казахстана http://www.ansar.ru/rfsng/2009/12/08/344 For an example of a courageous Kazakh women’s activist and yet another example of the degree of hypocrisy and double standards in the field of women’s issues…

Kazakh Teacher Not Allowed To Wear Hijab At School
http://www.rferl.org/content/Kazakh_Teacher_Not_Allowed_To_Wear_Hijab_At_School/1898762.html?page=1#relatedInfoContainer

Хиджаб начали запрещать и в школах Казахстана
http://www.ansar.ru/rfsng/2009/12/08/344

]]> By: KZBlog http://www.neweurasia.net/business-and-economics/reverse-discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-17801 KZBlog Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:31:29 +0000 http://www.neweurasia.net/?p=7347#comment-17801 Suicide rates of women in Kazakhstan were 3 times higher than in the US in 2007. And to the casual observer women in Central Asia do not seem happier or less depressed than women in the US. Quite the opposite. The women I talk to who have live in traditional families hate the fact that they have no power and say the worst part is that their husbands not only expect them to obey every word of every man but also to pretend to be happy and content which creates a great deal of stress. Suicide rates of women in Kazakhstan were 3 times higher than in the US in 2007. And to the casual observer women in Central Asia do not seem happier or less depressed than women in the US. Quite the opposite. The women I talk to who have live in traditional families hate the fact that they have no power and say the worst part is that their husbands not only expect them to obey every word of every man but also to pretend to be happy and content which creates a great deal of stress.

]]> By: Turgai Sangar http://www.neweurasia.net/business-and-economics/reverse-discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-17655 Turgai Sangar Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:21:29 +0000 http://www.neweurasia.net/?p=7347#comment-17655 'pressure' not 'pression' of course (this is what happens when one thinks simultaneously in several languages). And as several wome have told me themselves, much of it comes from fellow women. ‘pressure’ not ‘pression’ of course (this is what happens when one thinks simultaneously in several languages). And as several wome have told me themselves, much of it comes from fellow women.

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