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		<title>By: www.neweurasia.net - Blogging Central Asia &#187; The elections on neweurasia</title>
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		<description>[...] election day itself, we mainly quoted news reports coming out of Kazakhstan and then later posted first exit-poll results, putting [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://www.neweurasia.net/culture-and-history/history-and-sources/comment-page-1/#comment-98</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, it is likely the term basmachi existed before the so-called basmachi movement emerged, as the word does indicate Turkic origins e.g. in Uzbek the suffix &#039;-chi&#039; is usually appended to a noun or verb to indicate a profession (e.g. o&#039;qituvchi = teacher). Moreover, the Tsarist administrators may very well have been acquainted with the term in regard to bandits, brigands, thieves and common criminals.

Subsequently, the term the Soviets used was &#039;basmachestvo&#039;, but qorbashi (possibly also qorbachi) appears to have been the term used by the early basmachis themselves. But, as you pointed out Ali, very few sources on this period are purely objective, and as history tends to be written by the victors, basmachi (which, I still maintain, is a largely pejorative term) is the label that has stuck. For ease of reference, basmachi will probably continue to be used by historians - I have no quarrel with that.

But can we reduce the activities of the basmachis to plain, simple, common criminality, which is what the term basmachi suggests? Nowadays, we have enough trouble labelling the anti-occupation movement in Iraq: terrorists? rebels? guerrillas? revolutionaries? insurgents? resistance fighters? jihadis? Islamists? nationalists? etc. No-one would call them &#039;brigands&#039;.

I am by no means a post-modern deconstructionist who endlessly argues the toss over definitions, but I do think the label of basmachi as applied to the (largely) anti-Soviet forces of Central Asia in the 1920s and 1930s ignores the ideological forces driving these people. It is arguably a typical Soviet-ism to characterise motivated and organised groups of people to the level of mere &#039;brigands&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, it is likely the term basmachi existed before the so-called basmachi movement emerged, as the word does indicate Turkic origins e.g. in Uzbek the suffix &#8216;-chi&#8217; is usually appended to a noun or verb to indicate a profession (e.g. o&#8217;qituvchi = teacher). Moreover, the Tsarist administrators may very well have been acquainted with the term in regard to bandits, brigands, thieves and common criminals.</p>
<p>Subsequently, the term the Soviets used was &#8216;basmachestvo&#8217;, but qorbashi (possibly also qorbachi) appears to have been the term used by the early basmachis themselves. But, as you pointed out Ali, very few sources on this period are purely objective, and as history tends to be written by the victors, basmachi (which, I still maintain, is a largely pejorative term) is the label that has stuck. For ease of reference, basmachi will probably continue to be used by historians &#8211; I have no quarrel with that.</p>
<p>But can we reduce the activities of the basmachis to plain, simple, common criminality, which is what the term basmachi suggests? Nowadays, we have enough trouble labelling the anti-occupation movement in Iraq: terrorists? rebels? guerrillas? revolutionaries? insurgents? resistance fighters? jihadis? Islamists? nationalists? etc. No-one would call them &#8216;brigands&#8217;.</p>
<p>I am by no means a post-modern deconstructionist who endlessly argues the toss over definitions, but I do think the label of basmachi as applied to the (largely) anti-Soviet forces of Central Asia in the 1920s and 1930s ignores the ideological forces driving these people. It is arguably a typical Soviet-ism to characterise motivated and organised groups of people to the level of mere &#8216;brigands&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ali</title>
		<link>http://www.neweurasia.net/culture-and-history/history-and-sources/comment-page-1/#comment-97</link>
		<dc:creator>Ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with the wording that the name &quot;basmach&quot; indicates pro-Soviet bias. The name comes from turkish or even uzbek language, rather than russian, as one might think. No doubt, it has been transformed to fit russian grammar rules, but the word itself wasn&#039;t coined by the bolsheviks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with the wording that the name &#8220;basmach&#8221; indicates pro-Soviet bias. The name comes from turkish or even uzbek language, rather than russian, as one might think. No doubt, it has been transformed to fit russian grammar rules, but the word itself wasn&#8217;t coined by the bolsheviks.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://www.neweurasia.net/culture-and-history/history-and-sources/comment-page-1/#comment-96</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a historian, I&#039;m sceptical of arguments that say lack of information precludes any sort of conclusion being made about a historical event. I say this because information comes to light all the time. To wit, the famous saying: &quot;When the facts change, I change my mind; what do you do?&quot;

However, I agree that study of the basmachi movement has been coloured by biased records. The very name of the movement itself is indicative of the pro-Soviet spin put on that period - as I noted, use of the term qorbashi appears to have fallen into abeyance.

There are a lot of interesting aricles on basmachis tucked away in journals; I came across a whole stash recently, one of which focused upon the portrayal of the basmachis in Red Army magazines and newspapers. I shall post more anon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a historian, I&#8217;m sceptical of arguments that say lack of information precludes any sort of conclusion being made about a historical event. I say this because information comes to light all the time. To wit, the famous saying: &#8220;When the facts change, I change my mind; what do you do?&#8221;</p>
<p>However, I agree that study of the basmachi movement has been coloured by biased records. The very name of the movement itself is indicative of the pro-Soviet spin put on that period &#8211; as I noted, use of the term qorbashi appears to have fallen into abeyance.</p>
<p>There are a lot of interesting aricles on basmachis tucked away in journals; I came across a whole stash recently, one of which focused upon the portrayal of the basmachis in Red Army magazines and newspapers. I shall post more anon.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The same thing occured to me during my research around national delimitation. The most valuable book I could get hold of was written by an Indian scholar. Unfortunately, most of these books are long out of print and seem destined to be lost in the digital age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The same thing occured to me during my research around national delimitation. The most valuable book I could get hold of was written by an Indian scholar. Unfortunately, most of these books are long out of print and seem destined to be lost in the digital age.</p>
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