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		<title>By: neweurasia.net &#187; Voices from Central Asia</title>
		<link>http://www.neweurasia.net/politics-and-society/what-are-they-so-happy-about/comment-page-1/#comment-30295</link>
		<dc:creator>neweurasia.net &#187; Voices from Central Asia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Meanwhile, the results of a rather dubious public opinion poll were published. Nathan of The Registan reports that, according to the findings, the overwhelming majority of Uzbeks are content with their constitution and the rule of law in their country. A news outlet now speculates whether there exists another Uzbekistan somewhere on the face of this planet. While the results of this particular poll are questionable, more independent and neutral ones have found that Uzbeks are really on average happier with their lives than other people from the former Soviet Union, as was reported some while ago on neweurasia. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Meanwhile, the results of a rather dubious public opinion poll were published. Nathan of The Registan reports that, according to the findings, the overwhelming majority of Uzbeks are content with their constitution and the rule of law in their country. A news outlet now speculates whether there exists another Uzbekistan somewhere on the face of this planet. While the results of this particular poll are questionable, more independent and neutral ones have found that Uzbeks are really on average happier with their lives than other people from the former Soviet Union, as was reported some while ago on neweurasia. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Voices from Central Asia</title>
		<link>http://www.neweurasia.net/politics-and-society/what-are-they-so-happy-about/comment-page-1/#comment-391</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Voices from Central Asia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 21:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Meanwhile, the results of a rather dubious public opinion poll were published. Nathan of Registan reports that, according to the findings, the overwhelming majority of Uzbeks are content with their constitution and the rule of law in their country. A news outlet now speculates whether there exists another Uzbekistan somewhere on the face of this planet. While the results of this particular poll are questionable, more independent and neutral ones have found that Uzbeks are really on average happier with their lives than other people from the former Soviet Union, as was reported some while ago on neweurasia. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Meanwhile, the results of a rather dubious public opinion poll were published. Nathan of Registan reports that, according to the findings, the overwhelming majority of Uzbeks are content with their constitution and the rule of law in their country. A news outlet now speculates whether there exists another Uzbekistan somewhere on the face of this planet. While the results of this particular poll are questionable, more independent and neutral ones have found that Uzbeks are really on average happier with their lives than other people from the former Soviet Union, as was reported some while ago on neweurasia. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.neweurasia.net/politics-and-society/what-are-they-so-happy-about/comment-page-1/#comment-379</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is true that one should take such data with a proper grain of salt.

However, the equally surprising life satisfaction data for Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan would render self-censorship in Uzbekistan as the only explanation for &quot;Why are they so happy&quot; rather unlikely.

Of course Ataman is right when referring to a &#039;double-think lingo&#039;. But one shouldn&#039;t forget that the phenomenon &quot;poor-but-happy&quot; can be seen in other and more democratic countries than Uzbekistan. Also - it is important to note that Uzbeks are only comparatively happy. Most industrialised nations have higher life satisfaction ratings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is true that one should take such data with a proper grain of salt.</p>
<p>However, the equally surprising life satisfaction data for Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan would render self-censorship in Uzbekistan as the only explanation for &#8220;Why are they so happy&#8221; rather unlikely.</p>
<p>Of course Ataman is right when referring to a &#8216;double-think lingo&#8217;. But one shouldn&#8217;t forget that the phenomenon &#8220;poor-but-happy&#8221; can be seen in other and more democratic countries than Uzbekistan. Also &#8211; it is important to note that Uzbeks are only comparatively happy. Most industrialised nations have higher life satisfaction ratings.</p>
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		<title>By: Ataman Rakin</title>
		<link>http://www.neweurasia.net/politics-and-society/what-are-they-so-happy-about/comment-page-1/#comment-380</link>
		<dc:creator>Ataman Rakin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig Murray and James are right: donâ€™t underestimate the factor of widespread self-censorship, especially in countries under state terror like Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan.

Related to this, there is a certain Soviet doublethink lingo that people use and that one needs to understand the correct way. For example, the common bromide Â«Ð²Ñ?Ñ‘ Ð½Ð¾Ñ€Ð¼Ð°Ð»Ð½Ð¾Ðµ, Ð²Ñ?Ñ‘ Ð¿Ð¾Ð´ ÐºÐ¾Ð½Ñ‚Ñ€Ð¾Ð»!Â» (everything is fine and under control) de facto means: Â«why should I trust you enough to tell you how it really is; so donâ€™t bother me!Â»

Also, much like in other, non-Soviet Oriental societies, people often reply in function of: their wishful thinking; or what they think that you, or those higher up, would like to hear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig Murray and James are right: donâ€™t underestimate the factor of widespread self-censorship, especially in countries under state terror like Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan.</p>
<p>Related to this, there is a certain Soviet doublethink lingo that people use and that one needs to understand the correct way. For example, the common bromide Â«Ð²Ñ?Ñ‘ Ð½Ð¾Ñ€Ð¼Ð°Ð»Ð½Ð¾Ðµ, Ð²Ñ?Ñ‘ Ð¿Ð¾Ð´ ÐºÐ¾Ð½Ñ‚Ñ€Ð¾Ð»!Â» (everything is fine and under control) de facto means: Â«why should I trust you enough to tell you how it really is; so donâ€™t bother me!Â»</p>
<p>Also, much like in other, non-Soviet Oriental societies, people often reply in function of: their wishful thinking; or what they think that you, or those higher up, would like to hear.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So how do we know what&#039;s really going on in Uzbekistan or, more pertinently, who can we trust? NGOs are being closed at a rate of knots, most reputable news organisations have withdrawn under official pressure, and government statistics seem to have been subjected to (ahem!) &quot;creative accounting&quot;. Meanwhile, the &lt;i&gt;&#039;all pervasive climate of fear&#039;&lt;/i&gt; precludes many Uzbeks from really speaking their minds.

That generally leaves dissidents, emigres, exiles, ex-diplomats and representatives of the business community as the most prominent voices of opinion on events un Uzbekistan, when what we really want (and this is the point of Neweurasia) are the thoughts and opinions of Uzbeks themselves, uncoloured by official influence or fear of the consequences.

A utopian ideal, maybe, but worth persevering with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how do we know what&#8217;s really going on in Uzbekistan or, more pertinently, who can we trust? NGOs are being closed at a rate of knots, most reputable news organisations have withdrawn under official pressure, and government statistics seem to have been subjected to (ahem!) &#8220;creative accounting&#8221;. Meanwhile, the <i>&#8216;all pervasive climate of fear&#8217;</i> precludes many Uzbeks from really speaking their minds.</p>
<p>That generally leaves dissidents, emigres, exiles, ex-diplomats and representatives of the business community as the most prominent voices of opinion on events un Uzbekistan, when what we really want (and this is the point of Neweurasia) are the thoughts and opinions of Uzbeks themselves, uncoloured by official influence or fear of the consequences.</p>
<p>A utopian ideal, maybe, but worth persevering with.</p>
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		<title>By: rumil</title>
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		<dc:creator>rumil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 03:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe the poll. The less people have the less they need to be happy, don&#039;t you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the poll. The less people have the less they need to be happy, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig,

Agreed.  I actually &lt;a href=&quot;http://uzbekistan.neweurasia.net/?p=102&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; made that same argument&lt;/a&gt; a few posts back:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I do, however, wonder how likely the average Uzbek would be to express his or her true feelings about the government to a Western-funded interviewer.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I think that opinion polls should be taken in context, especially when they are implemented in more difficult parts of the world.  Naturally, in Uzbekistan it doesn&#039;t make sense to accept them as the gospel truth.    That doesn&#039;t mean they should be discounted, either.

In this case I just thought the fact that the statistics can be backed up by economic theory was interesting and worth drawing attention to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig,</p>
<p>Agreed.  I actually <a href="http://uzbekistan.neweurasia.net/?p=102" rel="nofollow"> made that same argument</a> a few posts back:</p>
<blockquote><p>I do, however, wonder how likely the average Uzbek would be to express his or her true feelings about the government to a Western-funded interviewer.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think that opinion polls should be taken in context, especially when they are implemented in more difficult parts of the world.  Naturally, in Uzbekistan it doesn&#8217;t make sense to accept them as the gospel truth.    That doesn&#8217;t mean they should be discounted, either.</p>
<p>In this case I just thought the fact that the statistics can be backed up by economic theory was interesting and worth drawing attention to.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Murray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those are all very good points, but they miss a much more essential one.

Anyone who has lived in Uzbekistan knows that there is an all-pervasive climate of fear, including fear of informants.  No Uzbek is ever going to willingly offer up their true opinios immediately, not least to something as outwith their normal experience as an opinion polling organisation.  And everyone knows that the correct answer is that everything is perfect in Karimov&#039;s Uzbek paradise and they are very, very happy - and that any other answer could be dangerous.

I agree that, in more normal circumstances, perception of well-being is relative to others of whom one has experience.  But again, those of us who have lived there know that Uzbeks - pretty well all Uzbeks - are very acutely aware of the ever widening gap between them and Kazakhs in standard of living, and that the once despised, &quot;provincial&quot; Kazakhs are much wealthier.  This is a source of much Uzbek angst - but not likely to be expressed to someone asking on the street.

I am not an academic, but have been astonsihed how much academic work on Uzbekistan is based on very dubious data from two sources - either nonsensical government statistics, or equally dubious public opinion surveys.  Forgetting the well-financed regime propagandists like Starr and Cornell, even recent work by the usually excellent Fiona Hill has suffered from uncritical reliance on such data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those are all very good points, but they miss a much more essential one.</p>
<p>Anyone who has lived in Uzbekistan knows that there is an all-pervasive climate of fear, including fear of informants.  No Uzbek is ever going to willingly offer up their true opinios immediately, not least to something as outwith their normal experience as an opinion polling organisation.  And everyone knows that the correct answer is that everything is perfect in Karimov&#8217;s Uzbek paradise and they are very, very happy &#8211; and that any other answer could be dangerous.</p>
<p>I agree that, in more normal circumstances, perception of well-being is relative to others of whom one has experience.  But again, those of us who have lived there know that Uzbeks &#8211; pretty well all Uzbeks &#8211; are very acutely aware of the ever widening gap between them and Kazakhs in standard of living, and that the once despised, &#8220;provincial&#8221; Kazakhs are much wealthier.  This is a source of much Uzbek angst &#8211; but not likely to be expressed to someone asking on the street.</p>
<p>I am not an academic, but have been astonsihed how much academic work on Uzbekistan is based on very dubious data from two sources &#8211; either nonsensical government statistics, or equally dubious public opinion surveys.  Forgetting the well-financed regime propagandists like Starr and Cornell, even recent work by the usually excellent Fiona Hill has suffered from uncritical reliance on such data.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t worry James, I didn&#039;t have my claws out anyway ... ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t worry James, I didn&#8217;t have my claws out anyway &#8230; ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 11:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clarification: this post was 100% &lt;em&gt;descriptive&lt;/em&gt;, and no part prescriptive.  I certainly did not mean to even imply that as policy in Central Asia or elsewhere we should therefore go for equality at the expense of all else, and I agree with your points Nick completely.  My point was very narrow; I was merely saying, &quot;Hey, &lt;em&gt;if&lt;/em&gt; we believe those public opinion polls to be mostly true, I wonder if the relatively high levels of equality in Uzbekistan could account for some part of that.&quot;  For many reasons, including the ones you point out, the &quot;therefore&quot; would open up a whole different can of worms even &lt;em&gt;if&lt;/em&gt; this hypothesis were true.

So no arguments with those points here...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clarification: this post was 100% <em>descriptive</em>, and no part prescriptive.  I certainly did not mean to even imply that as policy in Central Asia or elsewhere we should therefore go for equality at the expense of all else, and I agree with your points Nick completely.  My point was very narrow; I was merely saying, &#8220;Hey, <em>if</em> we believe those public opinion polls to be mostly true, I wonder if the relatively high levels of equality in Uzbekistan could account for some part of that.&#8221;  For many reasons, including the ones you point out, the &#8220;therefore&#8221; would open up a whole different can of worms even <em>if</em> this hypothesis were true.</p>
<p>So no arguments with those points here&#8230;</p>
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